The bizarre problem Haas can't fix on its 2020 F1 car

28 Okt 2020
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Haas is stuck towards the back of the F1 grid in 2020, and now it's dropped its current drivers for next year, Romain Grosjean revealed one of the big problems that has hindered the VF-20 all season. In this video Edd Straw explains what's causing the Haas's performance to change so drastically between practice and qualifying, and why it becomes so difficult and unpredictable for Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen. And does it hint at one of the problems hurting Ferrari this year too?
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  • Both Grosjean and Magnussen are fine drivers. The car is shit.

    ghostrider13bgghostrider13bg10 jam yang lalu
  • a part from here, a part from there, then it breaks apart

    Grandpa1986Grandpa198611 jam yang lalu
  • Airspring supporting the car sounds like what a tyre does.

    Robert LangfordRobert LangfordHari Yang lalu
  • Looking for the post fire crash comments

    An Autumn LeafAn Autumn LeafHari Yang lalu
  • Bahrain... anybody?

    Betty SchnauberBetty Schnauber2 hari yang lalu
  • Whos here after Bahrain

    Vijay ShahVijay Shah2 hari yang lalu
  • The problem is that it is in half

    Tobias PalmerTobias Palmer2 hari yang lalu
  • Welp, this video title aged well. I would guess the inferno and being in two halves may also be unfixable for that car (specifically lol).

    Angelo TomasiAngelo Tomasi2 hari yang lalu
  • Man he had vicious wreck in Bahrain

    kk3 hari yang lalu
  • Have they tried using the old "sawing in half" trick?

    xof49xof493 hari yang lalu
  • Explosion ?

    Frédéric MFrédéric M3 hari yang lalu
  • He's not staying with Haas But he's staying with us...

    Kristóf KovácsKristóf Kovács3 hari yang lalu
  • Haas need to fix romains split in half car after Bahrain now.

    Corrine GRAFCorrine GRAF3 hari yang lalu
  • AND IAM 100% SURE THIS PROBLEM ALMOST COST HIM HIS LIFE

    OskarasNausėdaOskarasNausėda3 hari yang lalu
    • This problem was unrelated to the the accident

      Typically ThomasTypically ThomasJam Yang lalu
  • yeah- the problem is it’s snapped in half

    Jay SimonJay Simon3 hari yang lalu
    • kind of a shit joke considering he's in the hospital with burns

      Abdullah ShaikhAbdullah Shaikh22 jam yang lalu
    • that's what it's supposed to do, it saved his life among other things

      Ad LibitumAd Libitum2 hari yang lalu
    • Yeah lol

      Marty 154Marty 1543 hari yang lalu
  • I'm not feeling very sympathetic for HAAS due to this issue. Basically they buy as much of their car from Ferrari as possible instead of designing the parts themselves. As a result, they don't understand the parts they are using and due to this they are unable to fix the issues.

    KepeKepe4 hari yang lalu
  • Williams have always been very critical of the Haas model i.e. using as many Ferrari parts as allowed by the regulations. Williams will feel vindicated in their views. If Haas had designed their own rear end, they (probably) wouldn't have this problem. They may, however, have an entirely different set of problems but we'll never know. If Ferrari are suffering in the same way, it speaks volumes for Le Clerc's skills but casts a shadow on Sebastian. I'm a big fan of Sebastian and followed his career closely. I know what he likes in a car and his driving style. This gives me great hope for his upcoming future in the new Aston Martin team. As long as the car suits his style, we'll see the old Sebastian again. I can guarantee that he has had a word with the racing point engineers to explain his driving style and what he expects from a car. If they have listened, Sebastian will have a track weapon at his disposal and some lovely results will be on the cards for 2021. I'll keep my fingers crossed..

    stan690stan6905 hari yang lalu
  • Great drivers but poor team! They will be last in 2021!

    Rene ChristensenRene Christensen5 hari yang lalu
  • Excellent video. I can understand the problem going from FP3 to qualification, where qualy doesn't allow the time to heat the rear suspension to the FP3 levels. What I don't understand, is why during race conditions, the cars wouldn't return to similar level of FP3-like suspension heat.

    John DouglasJohn Douglas5 hari yang lalu
  • Solution: Run the hydraulic fluid through the exposed wishbones......circulation or heat sink should stabilize extreme heat temp differentials... CL Corrado

    Corrado MusicStandsCorrado MusicStands5 hari yang lalu
  • Summary: Haas car go bouncy bounce when cold.

    Joe HoughtonJoe Houghton6 hari yang lalu
  • I think the problem of the rear suspension come from the Ferrari gearbox structure. Suspension arms are attach to the gearbox and if you already have structural problem when cold, the problem become worst when the heat is up

    Sylvain ToupinSylvain Toupin8 hari yang lalu
  • when you said it is the equivalent of missing half the front wing, my thought was, well Grosjean has had a lot of seat time missing half his front wing.

    toolman thetimtoolman thetim8 hari yang lalu
  • I hate reading the comment section because it just shows me how absolutely moronic the average person is...

    Ro7ardRo7ard9 hari yang lalu
  • It's simple. Anything "Ferrari" related this year is plain garbage. Sure, Ferrari has a couple of podiums but compared to the last 40 years, a couple of podiums doesn't cut it for Ferrari. I don't blame Haas, Gunther, or it's drivers for the problems this year. I'm curious to see what happens next year.

    Art ZilArt Zil9 hari yang lalu
  • It doesn’t matter who gets the drive, they will always be the worst

    Fat JayzFat Jayz9 hari yang lalu
  • Zero sympathy for the HAAS team after they dumped one of the better drivers on the Grid. Give Magnussen a competitive car and you'll see him battle top5 regularly.

    Mikkel GeorgsenMikkel Georgsen9 hari yang lalu
  • Is this why Seb is spinning randomly on completely bone dry tacks?

    whiners131whiners13110 hari yang lalu
  • Interesting but the sort of people that want to watch this sort of stuff dont need some fucker tickling musical instruments in the background.

    Dave BryantDave Bryant11 hari yang lalu
  • The tragedy of being a B-team. If the A-team messes up you suffer as well.

    avadaavada12 hari yang lalu
  • What was his excuse for being shit last year?

    Nathan JonesNathan Jones13 hari yang lalu
  • This sounds like a way to get around some regulation with changing behavior cold (scrutineering) vs. hot (on track) has come back to bite them.

    GearlooseGearloose14 hari yang lalu
  • Why has it taken a season not to fix ?

    David SheriffDavid Sheriff14 hari yang lalu
  • So many people here desperate to not believe Vettel has lost his driving ability...

    Q ZQ Z14 hari yang lalu
  • background song?

    Angus AnthonyAngus Anthony15 hari yang lalu
  • Air spring? Temp change susceptibility

    David AspinallDavid Aspinall16 hari yang lalu
  • Ah yes You just knew the reason why Haas isn't in the midfield.

    xtrafunniixtrafunnii16 hari yang lalu
    • PS: And why Ferrari is in the midfield. Forgot to point that out.

      xtrafunniixtrafunnii16 hari yang lalu
  • So, the inconsistency problem appears not to be overheating, but rather cooling down. Sounds like the area needs to be pre-heated before qualifying so it is already hot when going out on the track. Sort of like pre-heating the tires.

    john90430john9043016 hari yang lalu
  • Is this the end of Grosjean and Magnussen’s career?

    Stephen MStephen M17 hari yang lalu
  • man if im a ferrari junior driver im taking another year of F2 over trying to figure this thing out, plus its all new regs in 2022 - why put yourself through a year of this only to learn an entirely new type of car a year later

    Joe AcamporaJoe Acampora17 hari yang lalu
  • If it's a problem shared with Ferrari it may go some way to explaining why Ferrari's performance at the cold, wet Turkish GP may have been somewhat better than we have come to expect.

    Svend PetersenSvend Petersen17 hari yang lalu
  • Grosjean is such a Haas-been

    Mark MarasovićMark Marasović17 hari yang lalu
  • i think that HAAS is suffering the same way that Ferrari is by no longer being able to run that special engine.

    Chris DChris D17 hari yang lalu
  • dont know why haas are continuing with steiner tho. he deserves the boot

    shashank singhshashank singh17 hari yang lalu
  • Use a viscosity index fixer in the suspension fluid

    michael kappelmichael kappel18 hari yang lalu
  • Ferrari yet again struggling to design the back end of it's cars, not unlike the 80's and 90's.

    urabus99urabus9918 hari yang lalu
  • Houston, we have a problem. Can we get some NASA or Boing air dynamics engineers assistance please?

    Jorge HernandezJorge Hernandez18 hari yang lalu
  • I wish Haas was a more competitive team. My favorite driver is Hamilton but I love the idea of American teams being competitive in F1. I personally would also love to see an American driver join F1.

    Wolf GamingWolf Gaming18 hari yang lalu
  • The real problem with Haas, from the very beginning, was hiring Dallara, a team which was never competitive in F1, to design and build "their" car. It would have been understandable as a temporary measure, to train their own personnel in an unknown technology and turn into a real F1 team. Since they didn't, they deserve no sympathy.

    Ernesto GasullaErnesto Gasulla18 hari yang lalu
  • This happens when you outsources solution and cant repair it by yourself becasuse nobody in the team has designed it.

    cherryq91cherryq9119 hari yang lalu
  • Yeah. I have a theory. Hot air is less dense, therefore, any hot air coming from the radiators & engine should be ducted away from the rear wing. Cold air = more downforce, hot air = less downforce.....and no, I'm not looking for a job,

    Grecco BucklianoGrecco Buckliano20 hari yang lalu
  • They need to replace the engineers, not the drivers!

    Smitty SmittySmitty Smitty20 hari yang lalu
  • Quite an interesting perspective. I have been trying to figure this out since the initial reports of an "overheating rear suspension" affecting the aero. I initially thought it had to be the dampers overheating, resulting in the ride height change, because surely it couldn't be deformation. I wasn't aware that the car could have a hydraulic intermediary between the pullrod/rocker and the actual spring/damper assembly (basically a "hydraulic link"). If that's the case, using a hydraulic system to transfer the force between the suspension pullrod/rocker and the spring/damper, then it makes sense that a temperature difference could cause problems with the ride height, especially if the hydraulic volume is small. Basically the fluid expands too much and "lengthens" the hydraulic link from pullrod/rocker to spring/damper, which changes the ride height. Am I in the ballpark?

    jsquared1013jsquared101320 hari yang lalu
  • "Romain Grosjean is off the leash..." *OH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN*

    Ivo TrauschIvo Trausch20 hari yang lalu
  • What is it that’s actually getting too hot? The hydraulic fluid? The arms and linkage themselves, and when doing so expand and contract, causing geometry changes? Are there springs used? Are they metal? I’d think the springs would be carbon fiber?

    GNX157GNX15720 hari yang lalu
  • Two fast drivers. Many awful cars. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Scot in SpainScot in Spain20 hari yang lalu
  • I never thought Haas as a 'slow' team

    James PryceJames Pryce21 hari yang lalu
  • Honestly this would be a clinical factor that could explain so many situations Haas has experienced through the years. From sudden failures of components to drivers not being able to retain their cool through the race weekend. Unpredictability in any sport is not necessarily bad. BUT constantly having to adapt to the same car wouldn't make life inside and outside the cockpit much easier. Especially if you're trying to solve a problem with the setup. Terrific eyeopener in my book!

    Dodo TennekesDodo Tennekes21 hari yang lalu
  • Put Hamilton in the Sauber and see how many races he wins LOL F1 is a farce , no parity AT ALL.

    Buff BarnabyBuff Barnaby21 hari yang lalu
    • In the 80's and 90's back of the pack cars were literally not only failing to qualify under the 107% rule, but failing to even PRE-qualify. The perceived disparity is at the front, because Ferrari can't use their massive "legacy" subsidy to good effect (within the regulations, at least) and because Mercedes just has excellent personnel in all the key positions and excellent team culture.

      jsquared1013jsquared101320 hari yang lalu
  • Ferrari is destructive..... one more casualty.

    esphi LEEesphi LEE21 hari yang lalu
  • The hydraulic cylinders probably have a different type of metal cylinder then the piston inside of it. The piston is expanding bigger than the cylinder in the heat, therefore it's sticking and binding, causing the ride height to be erratic.

    Bass MechanicBass Mechanic21 hari yang lalu
    • If there is a hydraulic medium/mechanism between the pullrod and the actual spring/damper assembly, simply excess expansion of a warmed fluid could be enough to change the ride height (by changing the volume of the intermediate "connection" so to speak).

      jsquared1013jsquared101320 hari yang lalu
  • the problem with the HAAS team is that the owner doesn't care about the F1 team. While I understand that F1 is basically a glorified advertisement for all team owners involved, it seems the owner of HAAS could give less a fuck about racing, or doing what needs to be done to actually win, and just cares about the attention it gives his company. Im always rooting for HAAS, being a yankee. It would be nice to see Gene give a shit enough to work through the problems, instead of threaten to end the team.

    Clayton SageClayton Sage22 hari yang lalu
  • you know whos a rear rocker as well? ur mom

    rising Silencerising Silence22 hari yang lalu
  • I had a 1965 FIAT 500 with the same overheating problem, adding about .2 seconds to my commute. My boss never accepted this justification for being constantly half hour late to work though.

    KastaRulesKastaRules22 hari yang lalu
  • Suspension is usually close to the engine, maybe the heat is changing the viscosity of the shock fluid, could be down to the type of fluid or how the valves in the piston heads are set up.

    westbrionagewestbrionage22 hari yang lalu
  • Unlikely the problem. The cars never fast? Inconsistency would mean its fast some times. Its not btw. Grosjean is the slowest on the grid hands down, consistently too.

    Studog78Studog7823 hari yang lalu
  • How fascinating!

    Andrew DeckAndrew Deck23 hari yang lalu
  • Grosjean is one of the worst drivers anyway, he has accident every race basically

    Manu GamesManu Games23 hari yang lalu
  • Grosjean is a really great driver, sad to see his season ruined by his car constantly. It’s hard to tell with Mag because he crashes every race.

    Sean LambertSean Lambert23 hari yang lalu
  • Doesn't make all that sense, he says the problem is not heating, but when it cools down after not moving. Would the problem then not be there at all during the race? Because it stays hot and at the same height?

    Schalk ZijlstraSchalk Zijlstra24 hari yang lalu
  • That's just bad luck, 2 over heating issues in one team. The rear of the car And Gunther Steiner's management skills...

    phillipslyphillipsly24 hari yang lalu
  • Interesting.

    xedor2003xedor200324 hari yang lalu
  • It is very unprofessional to talk bad about the team you are still driving for and Grosjean and Magnussen are hardly the ones to talk, because most of their results in F1 are bad, no matter the team they drive for, and this is partly the reason why no better teams have tried to get them in their team

    fidan2fastfidan2fast24 hari yang lalu
  • 0:03 - why shouldn't he be in F1 in 20:21?

    DaveMcIroyDaveMcIroy24 hari yang lalu
  • So they need to build a big ass oven to park the cars in.

    TowelieTowelie24 hari yang lalu
  • Instead of the blowers cooling the brakes after each session, maybe they need to put heaters in the rear blowers to blow warm air into the rear of the car between FP3 and Q1 ?

    Tim LinerudTim Linerud25 hari yang lalu
  • K mag gains respect the more Gro whines like a frenchman. That aside, the complexity in F1 is off the chart!

    Som GuySom Guy25 hari yang lalu
  • everytime you say the name of your channel i think youre saying "the racist"

    Jack WithersJack Withers25 hari yang lalu
  • I'd try using a diversion of the hot exhaust gases to periodically heat up the suspension on a regulated controller. That way the suspension will still be hot, but at least it will be a consistent temperature. There, problem solved.

    ZPEROZPERO25 hari yang lalu
  • The only reason heat would make suspension change is either 'air' spring or fluid boil. I'm a motorcycle tech and hydrualic clutches have had the issue for long enough that most returned to wire operated (Bowden cable) if it wasn't possible to re-rout away from hot engine parts. Maybe a return to low tech solution would work better than an engineers ego stipulating hydraulic actuation?

    1crazypj1crazypj25 hari yang lalu
    • @1crazypj ???? jeezuss. are you a dimwit or a troll. the theory is that the problem lies in the CONTROL SYSTEM. NOT expanding components.

      David DavidsDavid Davids23 hari yang lalu
    • @David Davids Yes, but, the majority of components won't have expansion high enough to matter. (a 12" aluminium bar would 'grow' by about seventy four thousandths of an inch with a 500 degree f temperature rise-almost 2mm would be significant) Titanium about half as much (I don't know expansion of Carbon fiber?) I very much doubt there are aluminium components in modern F1 suspension. Torsion bars won't matter if they expand lengthwise so it has to be something fundamentally wrong with design parameters as adding up multiple shorter components would not give a dramatic change in rear ride height. Expansion of the gearbox housing or crankcase (whereever suspension mounting points are?) could easily have more of an effect as it would be moving suspension arms further apart and changing contact angle of tyres when things get hot

      1crazypj1crazypj23 hari yang lalu
    • @1crazypj ahem. have you understood what was actually said in the video. the prevailing theory is that, the Location of suspension control components in a too-hot environment is the cause of temperature-related changes, in the car's stance. cheers d

      David DavidsDavid Davids23 hari yang lalu
    • @David Davids Heat is making whatever they use for suspension expand or maybe hydraulic fluid is boiling and the gas is over pressuring something? (even the 'best' fluids I know about will boil at around 600f degrees) There may well be 'better' materials for F1 but I don't have access to them They may be using torsion bar suspension with a high pressure gas 'spring' as an addition? (or an air spring with onboard compressor to 'bend' the rules? Without knowing more about the system I can only speculate I'm sure they could find a way to use carbon nanotube 'wires' plus cams to get the same effect, be lighter and without any heat issues. Big 'plus' they would also get to 'play' with incredibly expensive 'future technology' which should satisfy any engineer at Ferrari's ego. Don't forget, a lot of design engineers have made things real difficult for techs over the years just to prove 'how smart' they are (Japanese engineers in particular were real A** H***** at one time, ("you not ride our motorcycle properly", etc. ???????) They just didn't understand the US market (or most markets outside Japan)

      1crazypj1crazypj24 hari yang lalu
    • this sounds like an IMPOSSIBLE problem ! hownhel can an aft temperature increase cause a change in a car's stance.???? you may have the answer, though. cheers

      David DavidsDavid Davids24 hari yang lalu
  • roman has been lucky in the extreme to have his f1 career last as long as it has , he,s hardly excelled in race,s , in fact he,s been a danger to himself and others many many times

    jz35jz3525 hari yang lalu
  • I like how this video is of 4:44 seconds

    Mauronicker The new updateMauronicker The new update26 hari yang lalu
  • What's nice about all this? For me, the positive I can take away from this video is that Seb will for sure be back up to speed in the Aston Martin.

    BoneYardBoneYard26 hari yang lalu
  • Really good video, without all the disturbing bells and whistles.

    Søren HartmannSøren Hartmann26 hari yang lalu
  • I have sympathy for the drivers, not the admin. They gotta get their shit together and get that car fixed

    mark hamiltonmark hamilton26 hari yang lalu
  • I say give me a couple of hundred hours of seat time in the car, and then I'll give you more of an informed opinion.

    Ed BakerEd Baker27 hari yang lalu
  • Rake doesn't matter as much as anyone says it does.

    Chris EasonChris Eason27 hari yang lalu
  • uhhhhh ferrari.........

    Chris EasonChris Eason27 hari yang lalu
  • Haas f1 car is a turd

    Vinesh NaidooVinesh Naidoo27 hari yang lalu
  • If you have a constant technical problem and there is no one in the team able to solve it, firing two experienced drivers might be a mistake. HAAS is clearly missing some good engineers

    Hauptsache PulsHauptsache Puls27 hari yang lalu
  • This is what you get when you buy a car hooping it's allright. Assuming that Haas has done it's homework they knew about the problem when they bought the car from Ferrari. Allthough it could be that Ferrari themselfs didn't know about the problem back then, the had been testing the chassis during developing so the must have known.

    Robert GerritsmaRobert Gerritsma27 hari yang lalu
  • Haas, the little engine that could...eventually, right?

    Hill BillyHill Billy28 hari yang lalu
  • Could also explain Vettel's problem too.....give his problems with balance inconsistency, no?

    Marlon MendozaMarlon Mendoza28 hari yang lalu
  • So much tech so much knowledge to be so precice about what happens but they are not able to fix it due to not knowing the source of the problem. These f1 cars are more complicated then you think

    RevolutionRevolution28 hari yang lalu
  • As a keyboard expert I would seriously critique the alloys used in the suspension that soften and expand under temperature.

    WatchMeWrenchWatchMeWrench28 hari yang lalu
  • clever way too fuck with the Parc Ferme rules.....

    Dirk RiegerDirk Rieger28 hari yang lalu
  • HASS has mega $$$. They have to get an aerodynamicist and an F1 engineer. Their idea of letting go (firing) dissenting drivers who tell the truth and are trying to help means that management needs a real "Kick in the butt'". American hubris: "It can't be my fault."

    Can NO d'EAUCan NO d'EAU29 hari yang lalu
  • I guess Haas did not watch the Ford vs Ferrari movie. Moving the hydraulic lines on the F 40 was one of the first things Ken Miles did on the car.

    tonkatoytrucktonkatoytruck29 hari yang lalu
  • HAAS let go of their drivers because no point of paying them when in fact whoever drives their car will struggle, I won't be surprised to see an all rookie lineup for next season.

    Yazan RawashdehYazan Rawashdeh29 hari yang lalu
  • "Hass is struggling to make the ferrari package work" but " not even ferrari can understand how it works"

    Natansh KumarNatansh Kumar29 hari yang lalu
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